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  • #46
    I know most federal jobs are, but how competitive are these jobs?

    I applied for a couple (they were both single vacancies) and just got rejection letters on both.

    My background is BA and 12 years police work; not their cup of tea?
    Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

    We don't rent pigs.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by barkalot View Post
      I know most federal jobs are, but how competitive are these jobs?

      I applied for a couple (they were both single vacancies) and just got rejection letters on both.

      My background is BA and 12 years police work; not their cup of tea?
      Pretty tough to get....as you are going against not only local cops that want the gig to get their foot inside the Federal door.....but some LEO retirees that have a ton of experience as well...

      My buddy had about 8 years on the job, a BA, and some investigative experience....and he got hired....and loves the job.....

      Good luck...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by barkalot View Post
        I know most federal jobs are, but how competitive are these jobs?

        I applied for a couple (they were both single vacancies) and just got rejection letters on both.

        My background is BA and 12 years police work; not their cup of tea?
        I know how you feel. I may not have half the experience you do, but I meet all their qualifications and my past employment is respectful. Ive applied to the last 12 positions posted on USA jobs for OPM BI's, so far i've recieved 8 rejection letters from them in the last month. I sent an email to the HR in the annoucement asking whats going on or holding me back. The reply:

        "people with veteran status are getting veterans preference over you knocking you out of the running..."

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        • #49
          As HR pointed out, if you don't have veterans preference then it's a hard hill to climb. Don't get frustrated - stay persistent in your applications as all it takes is one interview to get the job. When I got out of the Army I applied for a civilian DOD position. I was rejected twice before getting an interview (and the job) on the third try. That's when I found out that a military spouse had been applying for the same job (this preference blocked all other applicants since she was qualified) each time though turned it down after interviewing and realizing it wasn't the line of work she wanted. The job had to be reposted each time, but the third time they called the military spouse in advance and asked her not to apply since she had turned down the position twice and was holding up the hiring process. Stupid things like this probably happen all the time.

          You've already done all the work getting your resume/application package together so you can probably submit your information to each future opening with your eyes closed by now. At some point you'll get recognized for your efforts, but until then make sure you continue to review your resume and fine-tune it.

          With that said, I would still continue to apply for any other positions you're interested in (don't put all your eggs in one basket) because you may get picked up somewhere else faster.

          Good luck!

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          • #50
            Thanks for the responses!

            I can say that at least they sent a letter. I've applied for some other federal positions of various stripes months ago and all the status says is something like "application being reviewed" or "application accepted".

            I am in the running for one other federal spot and it looks pretty good, so at least I can hang my hat on that for awhile. Should hear something in the next two weeks.

            Other than that, it seems things have slowed a bit in the investigator spots unless you are bilingual in English/Spanish or speak Cantonese!!!
            Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

            We don't rent pigs.

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            • #51
              I would be interested in doing something like this. I have looked at KeyPoint and they mention:

              Minimum requirements:

              * Candidates with experience conducting OPM background investigations preferred; if there are no applicants with OPM experience, candidates with 3-5 years of progressively responsible work experience may be considered
              * Active federal security clearance with an SSBI is preferred; if chosen candidate does not have an active clearance, must be able to obtain & maintain government security clearance, which includes an investigation of 10+ years of history including items such as residence, education, employment, financial, medical, and personal records
              * U.S. citizenship (required for security clearance)
              * Due to travel requirements, a valid driver's license and reliable transportation are required

              Short bio for me, BS/MS, cop full time for almost 29 years, and eligible for early retirement in a week and a half, however I have never conducted an OPM background investigation. I also do not have an active federal security clearance with an SSBI. Since KeyPoint is private sector, but under contract, is it somewhat similar to an OPM Background Investigator? Also, what are some other federal contractors that I may want to consider for any other similar type of employment? (I have only worked for city and county government; I have never worked for the federal government or been in the military, so some of this is new to me.)
              Last edited by Jim1648; 10-17-2010, 03:25 PM. Reason: Details

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              • #52
                You could try USIS also. A few things you have to remember with private sector jobs, they will receive a boat load of applicants so they try to dissuade people who are marginally or not qualified from applying. Private companies do not want to train people if they can help it. More training costs equal less profit, so if they can hire someone who has experience they will hire them over someone who doesn't have any experience. Private industry is all about profit. The sooner you can get out and start making the company money the better. I would apply if I were you, I got on with USIS with far less experience than you. These are very good gigs. I would also keep my open for the federal side if it. They don't hire often, but when they do it is very competitive and if you have experience you will have a leg up on many applicants.
                But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

                For the intelectually challenged: If the government screws the people enough, it is the right and responsibility of the people to revolt and form a new government.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Jim1648 View Post
                  I would be interested in doing something like this. I have looked at KeyPoint and they mention:

                  Minimum requirements:

                  * Candidates with experience conducting OPM background investigations preferred; if there are no applicants with OPM experience, candidates with 3-5 years of progressively responsible work experience may be considered
                  * Active federal security clearance with an SSBI is preferred; if chosen candidate does not have an active clearance, must be able to obtain & maintain government security clearance, which includes an investigation of 10+ years of history including items such as residence, education, employment, financial, medical, and personal records
                  * U.S. citizenship (required for security clearance)
                  * Due to travel requirements, a valid driver's license and reliable transportation are required

                  Short bio for me, BS/MS, cop full time for almost 29 years, and eligible for early retirement in a week and a half, however I have never conducted an OPM background investigation. I also do not have an active federal security clearance with an SSBI. Since KeyPoint is private sector, but under contract, is it somewhat similar to an OPM Background Investigator? Also, what are some other federal contractors that I may want to consider for any other similar type of employment? (I have only worked for city and county government; I have never worked for the federal government or been in the military, so some of this is new to me.)
                  I met with a USIS Background Investigator when a buddy was going through the process for DEA, he interviewed me and then i returned the favor to see what his job was like, this investigator had been with USIS for 8 yrs and love it, he said he gets a takehome that he pays a stipulation monthly for approx. $200 and it gives him all the freedom he want with the vehicle, he stated the $200 a month was basically a payment to use the vehicle and get all the gas and maintenance for free and he was allowed to use it when off duty for anything. This guy seemed to be a fan of his gig, so good luck.

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                  • #54
                    I found a URL for them http://www.usis.com/ Thank you for the information!

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Jim1648 View Post
                      I found a URL for them http://www.usis.com/ Thank you for the information!
                      One thing should be mentioned. Job satisfaction changes from location to location. When I attended training in PA I was talking with people from other parts of the country. You would think we all worked for different companies. Some of their stories were horrible. Others were acceptable. In my area our team leader was great. I did work in an area that had many, many people needing investigations. We had three fairly good sized military bases, two were training bases. We also had several federal agencies located in the area that needed their people investigated as well as several (somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15) government contractors. To say we were a target rich environment was an understatement. It all boiled down to if we didn't hit our expectations it was because we weren't trying. We could literally complete a month's worth of work in two or three days because of how the cases were doled out. Our regional manager started in our area. His philosophy was the company is only going to pay you for 40 hours worth of work per week unless you are approved for O/T. Hit your goal then stop working. How we broke it up was up to us. Some would literally do a month's work in the first week then essentially take off the rest of the month (working only to turn in reports). Others worked more slowly then cranked them out at the end of the month. As long as we kept our numbers up our team lead didn't mess with us. Short of seeing him every other Friday at a voluntary informal lunch, if we did our work we only heard from him at our weekly conference call with the district manager. In my area it was the perfect job. I worked out of my house, set my own hours and had a company car. The only thing I didn't like was the pay. It was in the low 30's. My trainer worked for the company 6 or 7 years before he finally made mid 50's. At the agency I work for now it took one year to get to 50's including O/T and premium pays.

                      The $200 for the company car was to offset the taxable benefit from the personal use of the car. If that money was not taken out and you used to car for personal use, you incurred a taxable benefit that was added to your W-2 at the end of the year. The goal was to have the taxable amount go over your wit holding by a little that way you don't get a big bill at the end of the year and you didn't have to file more paperwork with your taxes to get the refund. I think the figure was around 20% personal use evened out the wit holding with the use.

                      I look at it this way, if you are working in a good area, great stay and enjoy. If you are working in an area that is horrible, take the experience and shop around. If you don't need the money or the work and the area is horrible then, don't do the job.
                      But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

                      For the intelectually challenged: If the government screws the people enough, it is the right and responsibility of the people to revolt and form a new government.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Jim1648 View Post
                        I would be interested in doing something like this. I have looked at KeyPoint and they mention:

                        Minimum requirements:

                        * Candidates with experience conducting OPM background investigations preferred; if there are no applicants with OPM experience, candidates with 3-5 years of progressively responsible work experience may be considered
                        * Active federal security clearance with an SSBI is preferred; if chosen candidate does not have an active clearance, must be able to obtain & maintain government security clearance, which includes an investigation of 10+ years of history including items such as residence, education, employment, financial, medical, and personal records
                        * U.S. citizenship (required for security clearance)
                        * Due to travel requirements, a valid driver's license and reliable transportation are required

                        Short bio for me, BS/MS, cop full time for almost 29 years, and eligible for early retirement in a week and a half, however I have never conducted an OPM background investigation. I also do not have an active federal security clearance with an SSBI. Since KeyPoint is private sector, but under contract, is it somewhat similar to an OPM Background Investigator? Also, what are some other federal contractors that I may want to consider for any other similar type of employment? (I have only worked for city and county government; I have never worked for the federal government or been in the military, so some of this is new to me.)
                        You're a prime candidate. You fit the bill for a lot of investigators that were in my new hire class. OPM backgrounds are a gig that a lot of retired law enforcement folks get into. In fact, I would say that 95% of my new investigator training class were retired law enforcement (local PD, Customs, FBI, Secret Service, etc). OPM and it's various contractors (USIS, KeyPoint, CACI) all do the same job. In fact, there are more contract investigators than there are investigators that work directly for OPM. They all use the same computer system and all type their ROIs in the same format. You do the research, and you'll find that each of the respective organizations have their good and bad points.

                        Where you work and who you work for (company wise and individual wise), the experience can vary greatly. PM me if you want to know more.

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                        • #57
                          (apologizes for the bump aforehand)

                          Fast tracked to interview - I'm pretty happy with what I've read here.

                          I'm @ 7 years on the "progressive" chart - already hold an SSBI and in the backlog for Secret (which is the exciting part - I may not have to do another SF86! finally)

                          Got the car and the license... just need to make number 1 on the interview and I'm set

                          My experience is as one of those 'hey you, take your shoes off'... then into behavior detection. Prior military reserve, various other little stuff...
                          TSA - Transportation Security Screener
                          Applied 01/2003
                          Accepted 09/2004
                          SV-E 10/2006

                          TSA - Behavior Detection Officer
                          Applied 02/2008
                          Certified SPOT 08/2008 SV-F

                          Seized Property Specialist - CBP posting 2011
                          NOR - 85 (ugh - silly keywords)

                          DEA Diversion investigator
                          Applied 04/2011
                          Qualified 7/13/11
                          Written Exam 08/17/11

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Shadowchasr View Post
                            (apologizes for the bump aforehand)

                            Fast tracked to interview - I'm pretty happy with what I've read here.

                            I'm @ 7 years on the "progressive" chart - already hold an SSBI and in the backlog for Secret (which is the exciting part - I may not have to do another SF86! finally)

                            Got the car and the license... just need to make number 1 on the interview and I'm set

                            My experience is as one of those 'hey you, take your shoes off'... then into behavior detection. Prior military reserve, various other little stuff...
                            So TSO, to BDO to background investigator? I've seen these positions floating around, but dropping down to GS-7 and having to move would hurt too much, especially with all the pay freezes on the horizon. Most of these positions seem to be in the middle of nowhere too (Nebraska, Minnesota, etc). Hopefully something more local will pop up. Good luck with the interview.

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                            • #59
                              Im new to web site. Got a referral for the position of background investigator on 10/06...but havent heard anything yet??!! Any comments or does anyone have knowledge a bout this??

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by HPD155 View Post
                                Im new to web site. Got a referral for the position of background investigator on 10/06...but havent heard anything yet??!! Any comments or does anyone have knowledge a bout this??
                                Errr......you responded to a 2011 thread.....

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