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    Though career choices can be tough, I feel blessed to be in the situation to make one. Here is the situation ... I have two opportunities presenting themselves to me at the present, and I am not sure which I would prefer to go with. I am trying to make the most educated decision I possibly can for both the present and the future. I have read nearly everything on the internet in relation to these, and thus I am not looking for conjecture. I am hoping that some forum members may be able to provide me with some first-hand insight and information in relation to either of these two position.

    The two positions are 1) USSS UD Officer, and 2) FBI Investigative Specialist. I realize the former is security and protection work, and the latter is surveillance and CI work. If I was basing my decision solely on my immediate wants, I know which I would choose. However, I am trying to plan for my future as well. If I can make a niche for myself with either of these, I would have no problem putting my 20 in. However, if I decide to move on in the future I want to go with the one that will set me up the best for that move. Here are some of the things I am hoping to find out:

    - Its my understanding that USSS UD is 6c retirement (correct?), what is FBI IS? Which would be better in this aspect?
    - Are there any advantages/disadvantages to either series 0083 (USSS), 1801 (FBI)
    - USSS UD will offer more in terms of units, and specialization from my understanding. Can anyone confirm this?
    - Would the training for either of these be looked upon more highly than the other, or give me a better skill set?
    - Taking everything into account, from your knowledge, which would be your immediate choice, and which would be your choice if you wanted to make a move to an 1811 position in the future?

    I am sure I could think of lots more questions, but I am sure you get it. Any and all advice, thoughts, suggestions, or comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.
    Last edited by WhoisJohnGalt; 04-02-2009, 06:23 AM.
    In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me? Psalm 56:4

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    Originally posted by WhoisJohnGalt View Post
    The first thing I want to say is that I am very thankful to be presented with a job opportunity at the present. Though I don't like having to decide between two opportunities, I feel blessed to even have one. Here is the situation ... I have two opportunities presenting themselves to me at the present, and I am not sure which I would prefer to go with. I am trying to make the most educated decision I possibly can for both the present and the future. I have read nearly everything on the internet in relation to these, and thus I am not looking for conjecture. I am hoping that some forum members may be able to provide me with some first-hand insight and information in relation to either of these two position.

    The two positions are 1) USSS UD Officer, and 2) FBI Investigative Specialist. I realize the former is security and protection work, and the latter is surveillance and CI work. If I was basing my decision solely on my immediate wants, I know which I would choose. However, I am trying to plan for my future as well. If I can make a niche for myself with either of these, I would have no problem putting my 20 in. However, if I decide to move on in the future I want to go with the one that will set me up the best for that move. Here are some of the things I am hoping to find out:

    - Its my understanding that USSS UD is 6c retirement (correct?), what is FBI IS? Which would be better in this aspect?
    - Are there any advantages/disadvantages to either series 0083 (USSS), 1801 (FBI)
    - USSS UD will offer more in terms of units, and specialization from my understanding. Can anyone confirm this?
    - Would the training for either of these be looked upon more highly than the other, or give me a better skill set?
    - Taking everything into account, from your knowledge, which would be your immediate choice, and which would be your choice if you wanted to make a move to an 1811 position in the future?

    I am sure I could think of lots more questions, but I am sure you get it. Any and all advice, thoughts, suggestions, or comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.
    UD is covered under 6(c) 12(d) and is a law enforcement position. The FBI IS is not law enforcement and would probably give very little advantage, if any towards future law enforcement positions. UD would be the most practical to advance a law enforcement career.
    God created some police officers perfect, the rest he put in cars.

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    • #3
      Thanks for all the input. Not having begun my career yet, I am not dead set on a specific path. It seems clear that the USSS UD would be the better choice for a career in the LE sector. What would or could be the logical progression for the FBI IS?
      In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me? Psalm 56:4

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      • #4
        Ud - Is

        Depends on where you want to go. UD is good work if you want to be a USSS 1811. IS is good work if you want to be FBI 1811. Figure our where you want to end up.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WhoisJohnGalt View Post
          Thanks for all the input. Not having begun my career yet, I am not dead set on a specific path. It seems clear that the USSS UD would be the better choice for a career in the LE sector. What would or could be the logical progression for the FBI IS?
          I think there are several factors you have to consider:

          1. Age. If you are in your mid-late 20s, you have years before you have to worry about an age deadline. If you are in your 30s, you obviously don't have as long. It all depends on what the end goal is. If you are approaching the age of 35 or 36, I would probably recommend going with the UD gig to make sure you don't run into problems with the FLE age limit should you want to move to an 1811 gig. If you are nowhere close to the deadline, I would consider the FBI gig.

          2. Location. As ten08 suggested, the UD gig is probably going to be DC. The IS gig may give you more options as far as a duty station.

          3. Future 1811. I must respectfully disagree somewhat with FPS. I think the IS position would be a better stepping stone to most 1811 jobs. Considering how much surveillance we do in my job, having someone already well versed in it is a big plus. I also think it would look better on a resume. At the same time, I don't want to take anything away from the UD job. You would get some good experience and training there too. In the long run, as CG mentioned, USSS may look at you harder after having worked for UD, and the IS gig will likely give you a leg up if you switch over to SA with the FBI.

          Bottom line in all this, if I had to make this decision, I would take the IS job if the ultimate goal is an 1811 gig and you have enough years before the deadline to get that kind of experience, AND if it was is a location I wanted to live. If you are running up against a deadline and would rather get into more of a traditional uniformed LE role, go for the UD job. Two very different jobs to be sure.

          Just my opinions.

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          • #6
            Good analysis SuperCFD, thanks. Can anyone offer insight on their respective benefit packages/perks for a comparison? i.e. educ. benefits, OT, vehicle, travel, retirement, insurance, etc...
            In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me? Psalm 56:4

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            • #7
              Apparently FBI SSG is looked highly upon by other agencies and it's a pretty good gig overall. Not a bad route to go towards 1811 and it fulfills one of the FBI critical skills too.
              "We can close each others eyes real fast, but then nobody's gonna make no money." Miami Vice

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              • #8
                Out of those two you should go with the LE position. Don't limit yourself to either position though. It sounds like you are considering using the gig as a step to where you really want to be. So that begs the question what do you ultimately want to do.

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                • #9
                  I'm sure the UD job is a good one. However, I think I would take the FBI IS job. If your goal is to move to an investigative job (1811) then uniform cops are a dime a dozen (no offense I'm one). There will be thousands of uniform police competing against you with more years, exp., job knowledge, etc. Bring something different/unique to the table. The IS job may stand out more than the UD with Secret Service. What is the promotion potential with UD? Is there any investigative work like the kind you will be competing against with the local uniform guys that make detective? Of course if you need to "stop the clock" as they say go for the LE job. You may be surprised to find the IS job might be something to make a career out of. If they were hiring around my area and they didn't have a mobility agreement then I would go in a heartbeat. Wearing a uniform, gun, badge, and vest day in and day out gets really old to some people (me).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by memphis PO PO View Post
                    I'm sure the UD job is a good one. However, I think I would take the FBI IS job. If your goal is to move to an investigative job (1811) then uniform cops are a dime a dozen (no offense I'm one). There will be thousands of uniform police competing against you with more years, exp., job knowledge, etc. Bring something different/unique to the table. The IS job may stand out more than the UD with Secret Service. What is the promotion potential with UD? Is there any investigative work like the kind you will be competing against with the local uniform guys that make detective? Of course if you need to "stop the clock" as they say go for the LE job. You may be surprised to find the IS job might be something to make a career out of. If they were hiring around my area and they didn't have a mobility agreement then I would go in a heartbeat. Wearing a uniform, gun, badge, and vest day in and day out gets really old to some people (me).
                    +1. Agreed.

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                    • #11
                      A lot of thanks to everyone who contributed their advice and opinions on this thread! I appreciate it. Unless you are dying to add something new, don't worry about it, I've gotten everything I needed. Thanks

                      -WhoisJohnGalt
                      In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me? Psalm 56:4

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